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Giant Healthy Innovators – S2 E10

Giant Healthy Innovators – S2 E10

[00:00:38] Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of Giants Healthy Innovators Live TV. My name is Barry Shrier and I’m your host for today’s episode. And I’d like to thank our many tens of thousands of viewers. We really appreciate all your support and we hope you find these episodes interesting and newsworthy and worth watching. So thank you very much. I would also like to thank our sponsors so healthy innovators live TV is sponsored by the giant health event. Giant is an acronym. It stands for Global Innovation and New Technology. And Giant is Europe’s largest and most valuable annual event celebrating health care technology innovation. So if you’d like to learn more, please go to the giant website w w w dot giant dot health and we’d love to see you at the event this year, which is 15 16 October in London. Thank you very much to Giant for your support. We’d also like to thank our other sponsors, Tech Data, which is Europe’s largest, greatest, most interesting and most valuable international tech innovation distributor in partnership with IBM Watson Health Care, they’re launching a very interesting international health care tech ecosystem, which will all be displayed and promoted at Giant this year. So thank you. Detect data. And also, of course, we’d like to thank our founding partner, Grove Lounds. We have been from grow plants here today. Thanks, Ben. And thanks to Grow Plants, which is a premier management consultancy here in Europe. So really great to have growth plans as a founding partner. And we appreciate all your support. Thank you. So nice to see you guys. Thank you very much for joining us. And what we’re going to do in our normal episode format is go around the table and just introduce ourselves. And then we want to talk about some of the leading issues in health care and technology, some of the challenges in innovation and how we’re going to make the world a better place. Luckily, we all share one vision, which is to improve the health and well-being of people around the world by promoting innovation in health care and supporting health tech entrepreneurs. So glad to have you guys on board. Thank you very much. So, Andy, nice to see you.

[00:02:36] So, yeah, so I’m and I’m director of Digital Transformation for NHS South, Central and West. So I’ve been in the NHS for twenty nine years and I’ve been CEO for about the last fifteen. So excellent. Fairly, fairly well connected with what’s going on.

[00:02:51] It’s beginning to learn about how it works. I hope so. Help us to understand just in case some of the audience aren’t experienced in this, what is a CIO?

[00:02:59] So it’s a chief information officer. So my job is to be in charge of all things digital within within the health organisation that I’m part of. Excellent.

[00:03:08] Yeah, well, that leads to lots of questions. So I hope we have time to look at some of that today. But again, thank you for joining us. Really my pleasure. Thank you. And then hello, Emma. Nice to see you.

[00:03:18] Yeah. Nice to see you. So yeah, I am. I am. I’m the clinical director of Digital Mentality, so I’m a bit of an accidental clinical innovator. I guess I am mental health nurse by training. I specialise in mental health support for children and young people and I start my own company to help develop apps and digital technologies that can really support driving forward good mental health, young people connecting other Assamese and other technologies to the NHS and navigating that pathway a little bit.

[00:03:47] Excellent. Now that’s fabulous. And the mental health is so important and it seems to be growing in terms of our awareness of the importance of it. And all my colleagues always told me I should have my head examined. So I’m not sure if that’s what they’re talking about. But I’m glad that you’re here and I hope you can help. But no, thank you very much. Looking forward to the conversation. And I love to hear about what you guys are doing. So likewise. Ben, hello. Thank you. Hi, Barry.

[00:04:08] Yeah. So Ben Wilson, I am the chief executive officer of Grogan’s Management Consulting Business. Excellent. And we predominantly operate in life sciences, pharma, medical devices and also some work in financial services. And we’re looking at strategy, organisational effectiveness, change and transformation.

[00:04:30] Excellent. Very important. And we were talking about a little bit earlier about this, weren’t we? There’s a relationship, of course, between tech innovation that happens perhaps in the financial services industry, which may inform opportunities in health care. And so that’s quite interesting. And I hope we can look at that as well sometime during the conversation. Yeah, I hope so. Erm and often you hear people say things like, well I can do this on my own, I can do this app thingamajig for my personal banking. Why can’t I do that in health care. And there’s good reasons why you can’t. But there are like I said, perhaps technology innovations which can inform opportunities for us. So that’s quite cool. Yeah. Good.

[00:05:06] And nice to see you again. Good to see you. Yeah. Thank you for coming on board today. I really appreciate it. Yeah. So if you don’t mind if you can introduce who you are and what you’re doing these days.

[00:05:15] I’m General Greg Smith and my background is actually ten years in pharmaceuticals, OK? And fifteen years of investment banking, doing mergers and acquisitions, health care and life sciences. And now I’ve got my own business, which does capital raising for kind of start ups and development stage companies and senior executive search headhunting. Yes. Excellent. Very. And part of the ecosystem. So class of investor action as well. Yes. And the settlement in charge and hold up that it’s not a competition.

[00:05:44] Wow. Did you bring your wallet with you?

[00:05:46] Yes.

[00:05:47] We like investors, but no, but joking aside, a lot of our viewers are early stage businesses. And a huge challenge, obviously, in the world of entrepreneurs is fundraising. It’s a permanent challenge. From my personal experience in my career. It’s more difficult than designing products and selling them profitably. And so how do people discover your business? How do they come upon you? What’s the name of the business? Do you have a website?

[00:06:11] So it’s just associates, JGI Associates. I’m sure Kim’s worked it out. So you’re just stuck on your end.

[00:06:22] Is there information on there for you, looking for you?

[00:06:27] I’m very visible on LinkedIn. I have millions of contacts. I’m OK. I’m pretty well networked, so I’m pretty easy to find. And in terms of how people find the a lot of it is actually through personal contacts. So on the capital raising side and get approached by a large number of companies looking for help, raising money. OK, I’m not the only one, but I’m no good to here.

[00:06:48] And we’d like to develop that further on the conversation. One of the things we’ve been talking about before we started the show was this issue of navigating the difficulty of finding your way. How do start-ups find investors? If I’m a Start-Up, how do I know who to engage with? Is there a sign above your door which says, start here at the front of the hospital? So if you guys have thoughts on that, love to hear them. So what’s your experience?

[00:07:11] And, you know, I got in trouble a little while ago because I wrote a piece where I said it must be a fairly miserable experience trying to sell to the NHS. I think it’s oh, surely not. Now, it is this incredibly complicated organisation, a myriad of organisations in reality. Yes. And even if you were on the inside, you know, you know, being on the inside and seeing lots of lots of what goes on, it’s hard to navigate if you’re on the outside trying to sell. And it must be it must be a real challenge. And I think one of the ways I see that happening successfully is and I erm as a case in point is when is when a business finds a navigator for them, somebody who understands the workings and can help them find their way through. And I think we’ve got individuals doing that as a case in point. Think of numerous others, but we’ve also got organisations like the academic health and science networks and like this kind of innovation support units that are trying to help, you know, start-ups and companies who are relatively small. Yes. To navigate the world that we’re part of. I think one slightly depressing aspect is often when people make that first sale, they kind of think they’re in and it’s not really like that. They go back to ground zero and have to start again, I understand, for the second term. Yes. Yes. You know, as much our fault is that.

[00:08:30] Yes. Well, we can help them to overcome that depression. In fact, you can help in particular, can’t you, if there’s depression involved?

[00:08:35] I think there is something about clinicians being involved in that, because we were talking and saying, you know, I did it from the other direction. So I was in the NHS trying to get sucked into the NHS. And it was still really hard because as public commissions, you maybe aren’t freed up from time. There’s a lot you know, we were sitting outside or saying, I’m a nurse. And actually lots of people say you’re a nurse. It was not your job. The technician technology is not why you get Cloud. And there’s a lot of like movements within that. And actually there’s so much to gain by clinicians linking in with start-ups. You know, I personally, I work in mental health. The amount of Start-Up companies I get to work with, like we really want to do something amazing in mental health. Yes.

[00:09:16] Actually, we don’t know that much about psychology or we don’t know that much about mental health because they’re engineers, developers or developers.

[00:09:24] And then there’s clinicians that have really simple, easy ways of explaining this. And they probably explain it the same way seven times in a day. Yes. And they can help the app put it in these context and make a really good wellbeing app. But conditions are a bit unsure how to stop, how to actually approach them. And start ups have no idea often what all of the different terms are. What’s a psychotherapist? What’s next? We’re very modelling our language, make it really quite fiddly to either get out or get in. And actually, there’s a lot to be said for clinicians acting as bridges between those two.

[00:10:01] Yes. So there’s a big role to play and a big opportunity there. You mentioned the academic health and science networks. I think those are also referred to just for the benefit of our viewers who aren’t familiar with this as the Axians. And how do our viewers come upon them?

[00:10:16] Do you just does one Google HSA and it’s a great way to make money. I mean, you genuinely would be that simple, that kind of regional based organisations. And I mean, their role is really interesting because they span the academic sector. Right, the health service, the NHS at large, and then the Start-Up community.

[00:10:32] And so they are very good at navigating those three worlds. And joining together an opportunity for four folks that are struggling to get, you know, to get in the door. Excellent. I’m a really big fan of them, actually. I think they’re great organisations.

[00:10:45] Yeah, I know. Glad to hear those others as well, which I’m vaguely familiar with. There is digital health that London and there’s health foundry and there’s an independent business incubators and accelerators of Live Start-Up Boot Camp, Health Care. If you guys know of any others, I think our viewers would already be interested in learning about that. And what about in the big business world, like with pharma? Because, of course, I think it’s a challenge for anybody to navigate health care inside or outside, a challenge for early stage ventures. But if you’re a big national or international business, maybe you have established routine of engaging with the health care system. Is that right? And are there angles there?

[00:11:23] Yeah, I mean, I, I can’t speak confidently on how those businesses engage with the health care system. What I can say is, is innovation in those businesses is often a struggle as well. Yes. And one of the one of the areas where we provide a lot of support to firms, pharma businesses, medical device manufacturers is is how do they create these innovation type labs is that they quite often want to impose practises so that they feel like they’ve got appropriate control and oversight on these areas. Yes, that by doing so actually stifle the innovation of trying to create you know, so they they try to implement these very rigid sort project management type techniques that just don’t enable the innovation itself.

[00:12:11] The culture clash. Yeah. Between huge businesses and the requirement for process procedure. Management control. Yeah. And what do you call the clash between that innovation and the creative spirit? Yeah. Fascinating.

[00:12:22] Yeah. So, you know, we’re regularly helping these firms just just and quite often it comes back to, you know, look, let’s let’s just check back in here. What is it you’re trying to achieve is in those in those you know, you get caught up in those in those processes. Quite often the sort of main goal has been forgotten. It’s it becomes about hitting these particular targets.

[00:12:45] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:12:47] It’s a huge lot when you when you try and scale in innovation as well. So you can very often say know I often say my organisation, a couple of people go away and do something quite inventive and and they can take it so far. And then as soon as they want to grow it out, you need to necessarily need to bring a little bit of control. So where’s the budget for this? Where’s, you know, where’s the resources coming from? All of those questions?

[00:13:09] And it’s quite a skill, I think, to to to scale that appropriately. So the temptation is to immediately move to some great all singing, all dancing governance, you know, stifles the energy within the space. You’ve just got to kind of turn up the heat on it very, very gently to let the innovation country flourish at the same time, make sure you keep that level of control that you need to do that.

[00:13:33] How do we empower companies and start ups and even conditions that have gone away? And how do we empower them to feel like they can say to big bosses, big directors, I understand why you want this governance, but I believe you need to maybe do a little bit slower.

[00:13:49] Yes, I think it’s interesting, actually. I mean, because I think we’ve seen certainly in NHS organisations, I think we’ve seen the CIO community, the digital leader, professional, grow and begin to flourish. We definitely seen the clinical community, whether it’s nurses, doctors, you name it. I’ve really grown into the digital space. Yes. I think the slowest journey has actually been from the board level execs, the chief executives in all of that. And so we don’t necessarily get digital because it’s new or who have other challenges and they just can’t precisely. And some of those other challenges are immense. Sure. And the way that they are managing them is by having very strict control. And that works if you don’t control in your precious budget or the challenges from the challenges and things like that. So there’s a kind of learnt behaviour that’s worked for them in other areas of the of the organisation. Yes. And they bring that to the digital space when it demands a completely different approach. And so I think that’s quite an exercise in educating and building trust and taking boards on the journey that says, no, this is OK, we’re going to throw some money at this. We think it’s a good thing. We’re totally sure what the benefits are going to be.

[00:14:57] Well, exactly. But it’s OK. Yeah, yes. Yeah. And I guess there’s a layer of health care itself which is different from other industries. Often I’m asked to, you know, whatever, give keynote speeches at conferences and I like to joke on stage. I’m glad my GP doesn’t poke me with some widget she bought from a Start-Up yesterday. You know, you want health care to be fairly regulated, fairly cautious, fairly evidence based, but that’s perhaps the opposite of the of the of the Silicon Valley.

[00:15:23] Yeah, exactly. Build a house quickly. Move on kind of challenge. So we have to have this governance, especially health care, governance, perhaps, but we also have to have the creative spirit and the.

[00:15:36] Innovative drive, the entrepreneurial ambition that makes its we can’t take healthcare governance that was designed for physical services and hit it with a hammer until it fits digital services, we kind of have to come up with a governance that is designed to support digital services.

[00:15:51] OK, I don’t follow you could elaborate because that’s very interesting.

[00:15:54] Yeah, because so for example, you said, you know, we don’t want to take a digital product that maybe hasn’t been tested in years. So mental health is a really great example of that, where we try and apply all of the risk assessments that we would apply to a physical clinic to app and technology. But they weren’t designed to measure app and technology. So instead of going, well, let’s come up with a governance that is specifically designed to support apps and technology, we say, well, how can we be the one that we’ve got into fitting design and technology? What happens is you end up it’s not filling in paperwork. You need to fill in contact. Some people that don’t actually understand what you’re trying to contact them about. Yes. Or you end up with so much steps that you need to go through that by the time you get the tech that the tech is out of date. Mm hmm. And then you have to do it again. Yes. What a fun journey.

[00:16:44] But it’s changing and it’s changing because people are like the guys and the people that are driving digital tags. And very much they I actually Sentenza driving this year, they’re driving this movement to actually we should be excited about digital innovation.

[00:17:00] Sure. Everyone should be embracing it.

[00:17:03] Yes. Yes, exactly. That reminds me, for example, one of the businesses we work very closely with, tech data, Europe’s largest distributor of tech. They’re building this health care ecosystem where partners can join them. And I think that’s an avenue into the health care system because they have those established channels and the, if you will, the the bridge, the expertise. So we always invite any people that are watching this episode, if they’re working at the at the earlier stages of tech innovation or if they have tech innovation products and they want to figure out how to engage with larger audiences or national or European health care systems, tech data is a great, if you will, bridge a great avenue to to pursue. And I wonder if there’s other things like that. Do you guys work in that area or not? The challenge of how to if you have big businesses who are engaging with health care systems and innovators or what do you call it, intrapreneurs, what do you call it?

[00:17:59] Creative people inside. Big inside big corporates. Yeah. Yeah. Does that come across your radar or not necessarily.

[00:18:05] Yeah, no, it absolutely does. In both. In both. In both sectors that we work in actually life sciences and on financial services. I think the, the lessons that we. Or the practises that we tend to observe in that is the most successful ones seem to be kind of put at arm’s length from the rest of the organisation.

[00:18:29] Yeah, the proverbial skunkworks, the kind of 1950s, whatever that was, Lockheed Palo Alto Research Centre kind of thing.

[00:18:35] Yeah. So so, you know, we we kind of you know, you go round, you go around, we work offices and you see these, you know, brand names, these amazing offices, you know, 300 yards down the road. But they want those teams and we work because, you know, because there’s an idea that they’ll be able to flourish independently. That’s interesting.

[00:18:55] Yeah. Because I always thought, for example, health care incubators and business accelerators, they have to be in hospitals or on the side of a surgery or something like that to be directly within the realm of health care.

[00:19:09] But it’s the freedom to to innovate that you’re describing so they can be I mean, you need to be close enough to understand the problem when they need to be close enough to clinicians to understand things like that happen. Yeah, yeah. And all the rest of it. But, you know, one of the examples I got a lot is the work that’s going on in University Hospital, Southhampton, which is around personal health records, and they’ve developed a product called My Medical Record, a really nice piece of work and the team to work on or in exactly the way you describe. So they are all employed by the trust. They’re part of the NHS. They’re absolutely called the fabric, but they operate slightly arm’s length, not not completely detached, but given a bit of freedom to kind of get excellent and sort of develop. And, you know, and it’s a great example. I think what’s interesting in that space and also LinkedIn that bit the story back to the, um, the challenge of taking this to a board level executives. Sure. Is the stories that boards tend to be interested in or when you can improve quality and safety from a political point of view or where you can apparently save money without efficiency. And I think one of the things interesting about the whole AIX world is that we in the NHS, in health care in the UK have got to try and shift some work over to our customer in the way that lots of other industries have done to what financial services do. I think the most impressive thing is they’ve given work that the bank used to do to their customer and the customer actually feels more empowered as a result.

[00:20:35] And that’s really clever way. Like IKEA, you build the furniture, you put it. Whereas at the moment I still think in the health service we do a lot of administrative tasks on behalf of a patient. That’s fascinating that a patient would actually feel more empowered if they were able to do themselves like appointments or some really basic things like, yeah, that’s very interesting. I haven’t heard that before, but it makes a lot of sense. And it’s also interesting to hear about the case studies from other industries and as well, obviously because of the challenges in society, overall ageing societies and new big challenges like obesity and Type two diabetes and so forth, we have to move away from current health care, which is, of course, actually sick care to wellness.

[00:21:16] And maybe if patients, if us individually are more engaged in crafting our health plan, then we will also concern ourselves a little bit more with wellness rather than I don’t feel. Well, now I’ll call the doctor or now it’s time to call the ambulance after 30 years of penumbras or whatever. But that’s fascinating. I haven’t come across that.

[00:21:39] And again, what’s the business in Southampton or what’s called my medical record, my medical records, the actual product, or is it like it’s an actual product that, I don’t know, thousands of patients? They’ve done some really impressive work around prostate cancer while patients, men, men who have a prostatectomy often then sort of discharged and come back for routine follow up outpatients, regardless of whether they’re actually a little or no, it’s OK. It’s just been tradition. We’ll get you back in every six months to double check or whatever. Yeah, there’s no they’re managing all of that care through the IoT. They’ll get them back in if there’s cause for concern. Yes. And these folks can know press the red button if if they’re worried about things and examining them and stuff. But it’s reducing the amount of outpatient appointments that happen, you know, saving the NHS cost savings, the patients happy because they’re not being dragged to the hospital when they’re not actually to take time off work and things like that. The other sort of by-product that they never imagined would happen is this community of people who are now using this app are starting to almost form what self-help groups and social groups and things like that, which the app, or I wouldn’t call it open source, but but but but maybe this enabled a kind of human interaction that wasn’t happening previously.

[00:22:51] Shows digital can be a preventive enabler. So light sensitive health care is is how are we going to save money in the NHS? Digital can scale in a way that face to face and traditional kind of model. Look, you simply cannot say, oh, right, OK, you can apply it to children’s care. And one of the projects we were looking at that we were actually taking to Beanstalk, Fadge IoT this year was because we looked to actually how many young people. Go to their GP like their parents, taking sort of four and five hours of GPS and they’re not sleeping through the night, and we give the same advice and clinical services 100 times a day. Yes. Why don’t we have a really cool app for parents with a nice side animation for children that does teach them these things that they don’t have to charge their people because suddenly you create this preventative well, they create their own communities around it like no Facebook groups and Instagram rips off it and you save all of these visits that just don’t need to happen. Yes. And it’s a business. So it’s a it’s an app that a charity and also working on. We’re pitching to Beanstalk. It’s called The Dragon. And he’s a magician patient. So he teaches children about emotions that bubble up in your belly. Oh, super. What’s the dragon and his emotion potion? Oh, it’s very cute. It’s a dragon who teaches little ones about their emotions and teaches parents. Oh, I love things like that. Proper strategies. If he has to deal with things like Time Out and yes. And Praise and all charts and they approved or everything written by the psychologists and the mental health nurses and the GPS, instead of waiting eight weeks or whatever to say, yes, you can just download the app and get the information. And we worked out that at the group version of AIX one thousand five hundred pound, a parent that attends one of those six weeks course Azure. So the savings you can do by changing that digital and that’s across the board, you can do that with so much digital stuff, not just having taken when you look at we were talking earlier about kind of finances and actually people who have various difficulties with the mental health and how they can get in trouble with finances, it’s hard to manage. Exactly digital prevention. So much more scalable than having, you know, financial advisers sitting in your shop somewhere.

[00:25:06] Absolutely points in time where, you know, the banks are closing rapidly on the high street to be delivered digitally. Oh, absolutely. And there’s that curve, isn’t there? The the why access is cost of health care delivery. AIX access is where you are in that health journey. Obviously at the acute end, it’s unbelievably expensive. At the preventative end, it doesn’t really cost much of anything. So huge opportunities there. How very exciting. You know, congratulations on that. And by the way, for the benefit of our viewers, stocks is an annual international health tech start up competition for prises. And so on the giant health website, one can learn about that. And ah, good luck with your application and hope that comes out successfully for you. Last year, about one hundred and fifty start-ups around the world applied and we believe that about three hundred start-ups around the world are going to apply this year. Great prises, great opportunities. In fact, Roebling’s is offering prises, which is valuable. And so lots of good stuff there.

[00:26:03] But I’m really excited about competition for start ups because it bridges that gap that we’ve been talking about. It gives you a way to to really start approaching what you want to do. It might change it. Yeah, excellent.

[00:26:15] I’d like to ask you to say that a lot louder. And again, I don’t think we should do that.

[00:26:18] We’re running out of time, so I hope you don’t mind. But what we’ll do is we’ll just go around the table if you guys don’t mind, and we’ll just have a little opportunity to give a few words on summaries of what we’re doing and what some of our visions for the future are.

[00:26:30] So obviously, in terms of what we’re doing with healthy awareness TV, we love bringing you guys together and we appreciate and it’s humbling to have so many capable, clever, ambitious people around the table. We are trying to improve health care. And I think by bringing people together and helping with navigation and supporting with recruitment and management consultancy in finance, that will happen. So for us, the future is bright. I’m not sure who strapline that was, but it works in these circumstances. But Greg, if you don’t mind, a little jar on the table and little summary of our plans for the themes.

[00:27:06] I think one of the big themes has been how much innovation has really switched over from the big organisations to the lifeblood from these smaller companies coming in. I know you to talk about how you can actually organise it from within big organisations to. But yeah, and I deal with a lot of the earlier stage companies trying to get the story together and get investment, get the right people in place to make it happen. I mean, there are loads of ideas that’s fantastically rich supply of very good ideas. But the sad thing is that 90 percent of them are more never see the light of day because they can’t get the finance. Yes. So and that’s all about getting the right people to make it happen and raising the money, which is not easy, and then getting access to the bigger organisations. The NHS be another. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:50] Excellent challenge. Yes. Yeah. Good stuff though. Thank you. And Ben, please.

[00:27:56] Well I think as always, just hugely uplifting. You know, you meet these great people doing just incredible things with, you know, just really purpose driven for me. I suppose I’m particularly looking forward to the giant health event. We’ve got a VIP lounge that Gravens is is hosting there and we’ve got a round table discussion. Going on around leadership in health care and I think with particularly with the idea around digitalisation. Yes. And the improvements that can drive in health care. So, yeah, particularly looking forward to hearing great people talk.

[00:28:30] Absolutely. Excellent. And of course, again, thank you for the Groveland support and the VIP lounge. A giant should be really interesting and very worthwhile. Thank you.

[00:28:39] I always just love getting around tables like this and talking with people about how digital interventions are going to become such a key part of future health care. Because, yes, I would love it there if in a few years time we’re saying having the same conversation and AIX is common to have a mental wellbeing app on your phone as it is to have an app to capture steps that may is where when I set out to do it mentally, that’s why I went to see it in a few years time. Having a well-being app will be as common as having a fitness one.

[00:29:06] Excellent. I’m sure we can do that, especially with people like you on board. So thank you and well done. Congratulations what you guys are doing.

[00:29:14] So we’re just over Divvy Cloud IBM. And I think I mean, look at the NHS is facing some of its toughest times. You know, this is not the level we would want it to be. And we’ve got an ageing population and all the challenges that brings, we’ve got the rise of chronic diseases, obesity, diabetes and things like that that are causing pressures. The workforce are exhausted. A lot of my colleagues, they look really stressed and stuff. And actually the only great hope out there is that technology can do in health what it’s doing in other sectors. Yes. And it can take some of that pressure off these folks. It can empower, you know, our customers, our public, the people we serve, and it can transform the way in which we deliver, deliver health care. And I think we’ve got a better opportunity now than we’ve ever had of making that successful. People like Emma are proving it can be done. Yes. And I see you know, I could list a hundred colleagues that are doing likewise up and down the country. And I think, you know, join the bandwagon, get on that mission, come to events like Joy and see what’s possible, get enthused by it and, you know, put some effort into it because it’s it’s the future.

[00:30:18] Yes. Yes. Excellent. No, we agree completely. Huge opportunities. Technology can empower not only can and empower the patients, us, the consumers, but, of course, empower the clinicians, the people that are delivering the health care and maybe enable the conditions to get more, if you will, human relations with their patients instead of sitting behind a computer, taking notes and things like that. So very exciting opportunities. But great to see you guys, obviously. Thank you very much. Like I said, very humbling to have so many talented, capable, intelligent and motivated people with us. So I appreciate that. Nice to see you. Obviously, good luck with all your ventures and looking forward to seeing you at the joint health event this year. So thanks again. So once again, thank you to all of our audience.

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