Harry Chapman DTX 2019 Interview
NATALIE TURNER [00:00:14] Hello and welcome back to the wrap up of the Digital Transformation Expo. By now, you should know my name, Natalie Turner from Disruptive Live but I’ll tell it to you again. Here I have Harry Chapman. He is the content director for this entire event. How are you feeling?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:00:31] Tired Natalie. Thanks for having me.
NATALIE TURNER [00:00:33] No problem. It’s been a long couple of days, hasn’t it?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:00:36] It has a really busy one and I think the mood’s been really good. I don’t know how you’ve been finding it and all the people you’ve been interviewing.
NATALIE TURNER [00:00:44] Yeah, it’s been it’s been a really positive, informative and engaging journey. If anything, spoken to some really interesting people definitely learnt a lot more about artificial intelligence and how cyber security comes into that. I interviewed Garry Kasparov earlier, which was just awesome. He is a he is a character, but he had so many interesting things to say. So that was probably probably one of my highlights, to be honest. I mean, obviously speaking to you of course, but you know, how. How has it been? What are the themes that you’ve been seeing coming into the into the expo?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:01:20] I think the big thing I’ve seen kind of constantly coming through is the people challenge when it comes to digital transformation. So one of the things that all our research was showing us was that technology is great and you can implement the technology, the technologies. But what’s the problem you’re trying to solve? How do you bring your people on that Journey to become a digital organisation. That’s kind of woven through all the presentations we’ve had today from Microsoft and Google and Adobe. We had a big panel on the future of work yesterday and how people interact with technology now. And that was everything in the event that was where we had the most questions. So you could see that people were actually really engaged, engaged in thinking about it.
NATALIE TURNER [00:02:00] Fantastic. So what do you think some of the highlights have been?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:02:03] So Garry Kasparov playing chess? I think he was playing up against about 10 people all at the same time.
NATALIE TURNER [00:02:08] Did you join in?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:02:09] I didn’t join in. No. I think we had we had a ballot of 15 people and he was going around playing all of them.
NATALIE TURNER [00:02:14] I mean, this is a silly question because nobody did. But did anybody come close to beating him?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:02:20] I don’t think so. I don’t know what the final results are. I can’t imagine it.
NATALIE TURNER [00:02:22] He’s like a machine when it comes to playing chess.
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:02:25] He’s got an amazing brain.
NATALIE TURNER [00:02:27] Oh, yeah? Yeah. I mean, it’s his whole career just from playing chess has led him into so many different opportunities. I mean, if you hadn’t been the grand master, who’s to say if he would have actually moved into like politics or human rights or technology? So it’s really interesting how just one thing like chess, you can change your life and you send you down all these different directions, which is just pretty cool.
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:02:51] Its amazing, Isn’t it? but we had a couple of cool things yesterday with Sir John Sawyer’s talking particularly about state sponsored hacking and he was talking about the B word Brexit and how that’s going to affect cyber security if we leave Europe and that had a lot of press coverage and the FTA and The Guardian. But also we had Noel Sharky the robot wars judge talking about AI and autonomous weapons. So that was quite scary. I mean, it’s a scary topic and Stewart Russell talking on the same topic. Stewart was some of this drone technology where can actively seek you out and kill you exists right now. So that is that scary?
NATALIE TURNER [00:03:32] I mean, I I’ve been doing this all day, so I haven’t had a chance to listen in on any of the keynote speeches. But I mean, what scares you the most of everything you’ve heard, because AI is it’s a scary thing. You know, there’s so many opportunities that come with AI but there’s also a lot of threats and there’s there’s consequences of that as well. And I think everybody I’ve spoken to today has highlighted that. But I mean, what do you what do you think?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:03:58] I mean, there’s two sides to it for me. There’s a business piece in the general piece within a business perspective at the moment, what I’ve been saying is a lot of companies. Think AI is a silver bullet and they get excited about AI, think it’s going to solve all the problems, but actually it’s a tool and it’s not going to solve problems within the overarching pieces, the ethics, the governance piece. what should, who should be regulating and he should be managing. And still there’s no answer to that at the moment, so that is is going to be concerning as this develops. How how do we know how far off we are. I was reading been reading Homo Deus, Noah Harari book recently. And he often talks. He talks a lot about how back in the 19th century we used to compare brains to steam engines and now we compare brains to algorithms and so, perhaps it’s just the technology, the day and actually we got hell of a long way to go.
NATALIE TURNER [00:04:59] Yeah. I mean, we have developed so quickly, I think, with technology. I think it’s moving pretty quickly, to be honest. I mean, I’ve asked everybody this question and I’ll ask you as well. But the future, where do you think it’s going? Like what? What are you expecting to see it like? Let’s say the next DTX. I’m sure that the expos that you’ve put together have different from each year to year. What are you sort of expecting the advancements to be for the following year?
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:05:26] Good question. I mean. Apart from the themes we’ve got going through cyber security data analytics and AI and digital transformation, the company is actually figuring out a digital transformation and getting past it. I think some of the things that are coming, coming down and up the curve again are around VR, VR starting to have more actual business applications that people are using it. We’ve got a company over there at the moment who have a VR racing simulator, but are using it within a lot of organisations to help them manage change. And there’s people actually actively using it now. Blockchain is coming back up the curve. So there was a big amount of hype. I was one of those idiots who invested in crypto currency and got really excited about it and it all fell off the edge. But now again, its time has come back up that curve, as people start thinking about actually, what can I do with it? De Beers, Big Diamond mining company was using it actively to track diamonds from source to the end. And so you knew that it wasn’t a conflict diamonds? And then finally, I think quantum computing. So quantum computing is probably the next big thing. Google’s rumoured to have made some big breakthroughs recently. And I think people are starting to get excited about it. But we’ll see. We’ll see how that goes.
NATALIE TURNER [00:06:41] Oh, you’re definitely the man to talk to about that. I don’t think anyone’s mentioned quantum computing in great detail. So that might be something for the next Expo that people are maybe focussing more on. I say it Google that’s bringing that more mainstream.
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:06:55] Yeah, I mean, there’s some of that. A lot of the big technology organisations are doing research within Quantum computing and there’s a lot of research going on in China at the moment that there has. Yeah. There are some reports I believe that Google have made some breakthroughs. How big those breakthroughs are? I don’t know. I’m not a Quantum computing expert. I wouldn’t claim to be. But I think it’s certainly interesting. You’re starting to see that in the press. People are talking about it more. I’ve seen it in The Economist doing some write ups on it. So it’s starting to become more prevalent. Let’s see if it’s going to be here next year and it’s the right thing to have. But there’s certainly some exciting things coming on. I think in the medium term, though, the big piece for me is how challenging digital transformation is and how a lot of companies are struggling with it. I think it’s something like between 60 or 70 percent of those projects fail. So. How are companies going to manage that? and really for us its as an event to help guide them through that, help make it easier.
NATALIE TURNER [00:07:53] I think that’s really key, isn’t it? Digital transformation. I’ve asked everybody, what does it mean to you? And everybody’s come up with a different answer and it’s always been fairly positive. I don’t think any business would really say, oh, we’re we’re struggling. You know, that’s what you say on a livestream really is it. But like you say at DTX Expo, you’re here to guide and provide that advice. And, you know, it’s a great place for people to network and find a way to actually grow their business if it’s perhaps not going so well when integrate with others. So I think it’s I think it’s fantastic. I mean, it’s my first time personally, but it’s been it’s been really good. But I am looking forward to going home and having a glass of wine, and just kicking off my shoes if im honest. Yes. So I think we will leave on that note. But Harry, thanks for joining us on Disruptive. Yes, no problem. It’s been an absolute pleasure. And I look forward to seeing you again soon. But again, next year, obviously disruptive will be here.
HARRY CHAPMAN [00:08:52] 30th of September to the 1st of October 2020.
NATALIE TURNER [00:08:55] Well, there we go. See he’s already planning ahead, which is fantastic. So that is all from us for now. Thank you so much for tuning in. We will be back again next year. DTX 2020. Harry has just provided the dates for you. You can look back on LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook and see our whole livestream all over again if you’d like to see my lovely face again, obviously. But anyway, for now. Take care. Have a great evening.